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Bi-Co: Not What It's Cracked Up To Be

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I don't know what other people really expected of the Bi-College (Bryn Mawr and Haverford) academic/social partnership, but I definitely think that it's falsely advertised. Even though the Bi-Co wasn't that important to me when I applied to Bryn Mawr, I got the feeling that it was advertised as something that really enhanced the college. This is kind of true, with the Blue Bus that goes between the two colleges and people taking classes at both schools, but the Bi-Co community isn't all it's cracked up to be.

I think a lot of us saw this during Customs Week (orientation week) when frosh from both schools had to mingle. For me, this was a totally worthless experience because it seemed like people were just interacting with people from their own schools. There were people I talked to whose Haverford customs groups didn't even show up, and I didn't go to the 3rd Customs activity at Haverford. Then there's the hostility, even if mild, that I sense between students. Of course, there are stereotypes that Bryn Mawr and Haverford girls don't get along, but beyond that, I just get the feeling of competition between the two schools.

What bothers me the most is the pretense of unity between the two schools. For one thing, I attended a Bi-Co News meeting this week and it was Bryn Mawr-only; I think Haverford conducts separate meetings for its sections. Articles that apply to both schools get assigned to Bryn Mawr and Haverford writers, who then meld them together. This isn't to say that the Bi-Co News is divided because I've only been on it for a week. This is just an example of how the schools aren't as united as I thought they would be.

Haverford and Bryn Mawr have a long history of cooperation. The schools still need each other i.e. Haverford offers Japanese while Bryn Mawr doesn't and we have fine arts and a theater, but since Haverford has become co-ed and is working on expansion, one has to wonder if Bryn Mawr will need it more than it needs Bryn Mawr, how much more the Bi-Co community will weaken in the future and what this means for Bryn Mawr's appeal.

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Haverford Experience Solidifies Love for Bryn Mawr

You are completely right on your take on the Bryn Mawr/ Haverford relationship. The customs activities were a total waste of time, I felt. We only bonded closer with our own customs groups when we got together with Haverford. The close relationship is definitly misrepresentedd to new students. The admissions personnel tell you that there is no trouble meeting boys because they are in all your classes and there are always boys around ect. So not the case. I have one boy in one of my classes, and he's a senior. The girls are definitly not amicable to Bryn Mawr women. I can see where they come from, but we're in college now, not high school. Spending time with Haverford Gentlemen makes me gald to be at an all women's college. I have never met more uninterresting, introverted, yet snobby boys in my whole life. Thank God I came to Bryn Mawr. We are definitly the better half of the bi-co relationship.

So, what are you going to do?

So, you have identified a problem, and one that is being "covered up." What are you going to do about it? How could you influence people to make the situation better?

Boys, boys, boys.

The main goal of the customs activities was to indoctrinate the incoming freshman class to the way of life, activities, and resources of their new college. It is also a way for the upperclassmen to meet and greet the new members of their Bryn Mawr family. I enjoyed the opportunity to find out more about Haverford.

Regarding the ratio of boys in Judge Hatchet's class, perhaps the genre of classes she is enrolled in has something to do with the lack of male students. Bryn Mawr's report to the National Center for Educational Statistics http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/Enrollment.asp states that 2.3% of the enrolled students at Bryn Mawr are male. The Bryn Mawr admissions Office website reports the student/faculty ratio to be 8 to 1. Using the Admissions' Office information, your experience of having one male in one of your classes is actually near the target. If you assume that a student is taking four classes and there are eight students per class, you have a total of approximately thirty-two students in all your classes. To use the percentage of 2.3% taken from the NCES website you should have .74 male students in your class. You are actually ahead of the game with a whole male. Relatively speaking that is.

You say that the close relationship between the two colleges was
misrepresented to new students. I do not recall the bico being a selling point when I visited the college. Although I came for admissions walk throughs and gatherings, very little was mentioned about the relationship Bryn Mawr had with Haverford. I do remember that I was told that the schedule of classes included those available at Swarthmore and Haverford but the graduation rate and close interpersonal relationships between faculty and students was what was stressed to me.

If you have not met any interesting males from Haverford ... maybe it's a blessing in disguise. It would just mean you would have even more to fit into your already hectic schedule. I'm glad you are here with us at Bryn Mawr and that you are happy with your decision to come here.

Never Regret the Biggest Mistake of Your Life

Boys Aren't the Subject Here

The boy issue isn't the thing I, or City, was complaining about. Personnally, I assumed I was coming to an all girls school to have all girls in my classes. I also have a boyfriend, so its not as if I was complaining about the boy situation. The fact is that when I ahd my interview and stayed overnight with a current student, they assured me that boys were not an issue at all. I know that its not the appealing thing to say, "There is only going to be .74 of a boy in all your classes," but we shouldn't lie to students who may be basing their lifechanging decision on the fact that this girls school actually does have some boys. When talking with prospective students, we shouldn't try to sell our school by lying. By tellign them the truth, they are able to make a more informed decision about college and the Bryn Mawr community will have students who aren't disappointed in their eduational experience. Everyone should just make sure that they don't overly talk up the school to prospective students just so they will go here. Its not like we get commissions from incoming freshman, so why not tell them exactly what Bryn Mawr life entails, and let them make a decision for themselves?

Not about boys or the "better half"!!!

None of this is about boys or even who is "the better half of the bi-co community." Apathy, maybe you disagree with my view of the Bi-Co because you've had a different experience, but I really do think that the Bi-Co is misrepresented to prospective students. After reading your comment, I asked the other people in my dorm and they agree with me that the Bi-Co was definitely a selling point for Bryn Mawr. The way it was portrayed didn't reveal anything about the disdain that some students have towards the other school. I'm disappointed in the lack of one school's respect for the other, even the lack of support for Haverford at Bryn Mawr.

As to the boys, I didn't come here expecting Bryn Mawr to be like a co-ed school just because of Haverboys. I applied to Bryn Mawr for Bryn Mawr, but I'm sure there are other girls who thought about the Bi-Co community, and to a lesser extent, Tri-Co.

Take Some Responsibility

While some aspects were the same and I have to agree with you on some points, I have to say I had a completely different experience with the Bi-Co Customs week. I too found that my customs group was dissinterested in "bonding" with us and that the whole thing was really forced but that didn't stop me from meeting a lot of people I was interested in and having fun. While I understand where you all are coming from you can't expect customs week to introduce you to your new best friends at Haverford.

I was told, however, that Haverford is trying to sever ties with Bryn Mawr and cut off the strong bi-co relationship they've maintained in the past. Last year Bryn Mawr students were invited to the dance that they have called "Super Fun" (yea super-lame I know... but still it's a better way to meet people than sitting around in little groups playing duck-duck-goose). They didn't do that this year, but my three roommates, three girls down the hall and I still went... and while the music sucked we met a lot of people and made some contacts that helped us meet even more people and find out about good parties later on. While I love Bryn Mawr and agree we definately have the better school and the better end of the deal (who doesnt love coming back to this beautiful, safe, single-sex campus?)... I still enjoy the schools relationship with HC and find it's a big part of my social life here. So whatever you were told in admissions... or whatever you've experienced since you've gotten here... it's what you make of it... and whether you use the blue bus to go to class or to parties it still takes some initiative to meet people.

It is what you make of it

Again, like most people, I am going to say that I found the Bi-Co Custom's weeks activities forced and uncomfortable. Students were unsure of how to interact with those from the other school and, most of the time, ended up talking or playing games with those in their dorm. Okay, we all agree, it was really weird.

However, I am very surprised to read some of these reactions. The fact that some of you feel as though you were lied to by the admissions office is completely absurd. I was at all of the same Bi-Co customs week meetings as you were all at and I know that they sucked too. But that in no way stopped me from trying to make friendships over at Haverford. I took into context that the Haverford students were trying to get used to life at college, just like the students at Bryn Mawr were. So I kind of dismissed the first few meetings with them because everyone was nervous and a bit intimidated at the whole situation.

Instead, I decided to take a class there. That way, I am getting not only another educational experience, I am also getting to meet people at Haverford when they are more comfortable. And, believe it or not, they are not all "uninterresting, introverted, and snobby boys", as you might think. If you try to engage them in conversation every once in a while, I think that you might be surprised. Especially now, when most students have a routine and a schedule and no longer have the pressures of tyring to start this whole new life at college.

My suggestions to all of you who have had a bit of a bad relationship with Haverford and its students is to give it another try. I know that I sound like a mom right now, but first impressions are not always accurate. Catch the blue bus or take a nice walk over there (that way, you also get to see what stores are in town) and try to get to know them. The students at Haverford are not all weird and snobbish. All in all, it is what you make of it. So go, do, meet, relax and try to have fun.

Reading Comprehension is Lacking

I realize that this is all getting really redundant, but some people just seem like they want to preach to us that we need to put ourselves out there to get friends at Haverford. That was never even an issue here. I could care less if I went to a billion parties at Haverford and knew everyone on the cricket team. The only point we are trying to make is that there is a misrepresentation of the bi-co relationship. That's it! If I really want friends, I know how to make friends and don't need Friend Making 101 above. I realize that this may sound really rude, but it seems like the entire point of these posts has been missed and that you as readers/commenters think that we are just complaining that we don't have Haverford friends. If I wanted to be an intricate part of Haverford College, I would have applied. The only deal here is that the bo-co relationship isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

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